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Michael Alan Dover, PhD's avatar

Good points Max. Recent work on participatory socialism is not convincing to me. I was just here in Cleveland at a urban garden store that has a restaurant in the back with a band playing.

Most people want to be able to go into their job and do a good job and then come home and have some fun and they don’t have much time for committee work to decide how to produce a better widget. We’re lucky if we have time to participate in a union or in a faculty Senate, but to try to govern organizations through some kind of participatory Democratic process is probably a mistake. You would end up having enterprises pitted against each other and real chaos. Plus, there would be all kinds of petty conflict within the organization itself.

There was one good article on the monthly review a long time ago. that made the contention that computerization could’ve saved state socialism, as it would be possible to do all sorts of things like ascertaining market demand, polling people about consumer choices, and so forth.

It’s enough to ask people to participate Democratically in the election of their government representatives.

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Larry Koenigsberg's avatar

"Calculation is crucial because it embodies one of the two basic questions for an economy (the other being how to maintain high employment without risk of excessive inflation)." Previously I have had little exposure to how an economist thinks. This post educated me.

Years ago, I read THE WORLDLY PHILOSOPHERS without absorbing much more than the chapter titles, some of which I still remember (savage Veblen, inexorable Marx etc.). I get the failure of the ever more numerous workers to take over from the ever fewe rcapitalists; as Heilbroner himself wrote (in the NYRB), "capitalism" is so resourceful that maybe it will even figure out how to avoid global environmental catastrophe (aka warming). FDR an earlier instance of such resourcefulness.

I'm thinking I'll switch at least temporarily from reading one sort of fun book (typically ancient & academic history) to another, probably less fun, about your subject. The university library here can circulate Samuelson's ECONOMICS from 1985. Otherwise I wouldn't know where to start, and will appreciate a suggestion or two. Thanks!

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